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City Plan Commission Minutes
Monday, March 1, 2004 - 4:00 P.M.
PRESENT: Chairman Mayor Wescott; Lois Feldman; Ann Shannon; Mike Phillips; Bud Flood; Fred Steffen (Karen Aldinger, excused)
ALSO PRESENT: Comm. Dev. Dir. John Gardner; City Clerk Victoria Zdroik; Park & Rec. Dir. Tom Schrader; Mayors Assis. Jami Gebert; Ald. Sevenich, Sowieja, Barr, Rackow, Molski, Stroik, and Moore; Tony Trzebiatowski; Randy Trzebiatowski; John Stromberg; James Kropidlowski; Florian & Madeline Klasinski; Chris & Barb Kluck; Aidan Brusewit; Dustin Trickle;Kate Garsombke, Journal; Gene Kemmeter, Portage County Gazette
Index of these Minutes:
1. Approval of the Minutes of the February
2, 2004 Plan Commission Meeting
2. Rezoning - 3609 Stanley
Street from "R-2" Single Family to "B-4" Commercial Zoning
3. Conditional Use - Car Wash
- 3609 Stanley Street
4. Lot Split - Heffron Street
at Hoover Road - Lot 106 Parkwood Fifth Addition
5. Adopt Park Plan Update 2004-2009
1. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF
THE FEBRUARY 2, 2004 PLAN COMMISSION MEETING
Bud Flood moved, seconded by Fred Steffen, to approve the minutes of the February 2, 2004 Plan Commission Meeting.
Ayes all; Nays none; Motion carried.
2. REZONING - 3609 STANLEY
STREET FROM "R-2" SINGLE FAMILY TO "B-4" COMMERCIAL ZONING
3. CONDITIONAL USE - CAR WASH
- 3609 STANLEY STREET
Chairman Wescott noted Items #2 and #3 will be discussed together but will have separate motions.
John Gardner presented overhead slides and reviewed the surrounding zoning pattern and land uses. He stated if
the property is rezoned to Commercial Zoning but the council does not approve the car wash as a conditional use,
the property will remain Commercial zoning and could be used for many uses including multiple family, fast food
restaurants, and retail businesses, without any review because those uses would be permitted in the commercial
zoning. A car wash is a conditional use and requires Council approval. The Stanley Street Land Use Plan was adopted
in 1993 and recommends this site for commercial zoning. Because the rezoning request is consistent with the adopted
plan, staff recommends approval.
The second half of this request is for a car wash with two automatic bays, three self-serve bays, and three vacuum islands. The site is adjacent to a home on the east and multifamily zoning to the south. Car washes have the potential to operate all night potentially resulting in noise disturbances for neighbors. Previous requests for car washes have been rejected or have required additional screening and limited hours of operation. He reviewed the proposed site plan and expressed concern with sufficient space for stacking while waiting for the car wash. He suggested the following conditions: 1) separation from future residents to the south with a solid 6 ft. high fence along the south property line to screen vehicle lights and noise, 2) storm water drainage be retained on site and the site plan will have to be altered to accommodate this, 3) room for at least 4 vehicles to wait in line at the entrance to each car wash bay, 4) limiting the hours of operation to 6 a.m. to 10 p.m. to prevent noise from disturbing the adjacent residential property, and 5) preserve the existing trees on the east and west property line.
He has talked with the applicant about reworking
the site plan to move the building closer to Stanley Street with the entrance to car wash bays from the rear of
the property. The owner is open to this.
Mike Phillips hoped the screening will be around at least the south and east property lines, hopefully the entire
property, for lights and music.
Ald. Molski noted the vacuum islands are located right outside Mr. Klasinski's bedroom window and Mr. Klasinski
would like a privacy fence similar to the one between Scaffidi's and Mr. Kropidlowski's property.
Elbert Rackow noted he likes the idea of moving the building forward on the site and would like to see the traffic
going to the right only to the car wash bays so they aren't crossing traffic. The vacuum islands should be situated
on the west side of the site before the car wash bays.
Randy Trzebiatowski, petitioner, stated they can make alterations and changes to the proposed plan. The suggestions
of moving the building forward, moving the vacuum islands to the west side of the site, and stacking to the back
is not a problem. He is also agreeable to a fence or screening along Mr. Klasinsi's property.
Ald. Sevenich stated she would like to see landscaping at the front and sides of the property.
Jim Kropidlowski, 3707 Stanley St., noted if the hours of operation are 6 a.m.-10:00 p.m., what shuts the car wash
off at 10:00 p.m. if it is coin operated.
Randy Trzebiatowski responded he would prefer midnight better than 10:00 p.m. I guess we would lock up the building
at closing.
Florian Klasinski, 3627 Stanley St., stated he is the adjacent property owner to the east and would like to see
a solid privacy fence to screen his property from the car wash, much like the one between Scaffidi's and Mr. Kropidlowski.
The existing trees are on his property, so the fence would have to go on the west side of the trees. He would also
like the vacuum islands moved to the other side of the property. He has no other objections.
Christopher Kluck, representing Eugene Kluck the current owner of the property, stated whether the property is
rezoned or not, the property will go up for sale as quickly as possible. His father is ill and will not be coming
back to the property.
In response to the suggestion that the self-serve bays be allowed to remain open 24 hours per day and only the
automatic bays with dryers be closed in the evening, , Ald. Rackow felt the car wash should be all-open or all-closed
at the specified closing time.
Tony Trzebiatowski noted he doesn't know of any car washes that close at a certain time, it seems they stay open
24 hours.
Mike Phillips would like to see the perimeter lights facing inward and downward.
Ald. Moore and Mr. Klaskinski expressed concern with dumpsters and snow removal.
Randy Trzebiatowski responded there would be room on-site in the back for snow and if there is a lot, it would
have to be removed. There will be areas for the dumpsters and they will have state-of-the-art security cameras.
He wants to work with the neighbors. He is asking that the commission rezone the property and allow him to build
a car wash.
Bud Flood noted given the fact that the neighbors seem to be somewhat in favor of the rezoning, would it be appropriate
to allow the applicant 30 days to revise the site plan.
Chairman Wescott noted because these are separate votes, the rezoning could be granted if the commission is so
inclined, and hold up the site plan until next month until they bring back a new site plan showing the concerns
expressed today. He reminded everyone, if the property is rezoned, there are other opportunities that become possibilities
for this property. We need the specific details to act on the car wash request.
Randy Trzebiatowski noted if he can't build a car wash there, he doesn't want to buy the land. He could prepare
another site plan but it will take some time and money.
Lois Feldman noted sometimes the Plan Commission recommends approval and then the two weeks before the council
meeting can be used to work out the details with staff and the neighbors.
REZONING:
Fred Steffen moved, seconded by Mike Phillips, to recommend approval of the rezoning from Single Family Zoning
to Commercial Zoning.
Ayes all; Nays none; (Ann Shannon abstained) Motion carried.
CONDITIONAL USE:
Fred Steffen moved, seconded by Bud Flood, to recommend approval of the conditional use for a car wash at 3609
Stanley Street, but require that the developer, the planning office, and the adjacent property owners spend the
next two weeks preparing a very specific plan for the proposed development including placement of the building
and vacuum islands, drainage, stacking space, fencing, entrance and exits, enclosed dumpster area, snow removal,
landscaping, signage, lighting, and hours of operation for entire car wash.
Ayes all; Nays none; (Ann Shannon abstained) Motion carried.
Florian Klasinski noted he and his wife will be out of town during that time period for the birth of their grandchild
and he would like the city to act on his behalf.
4. LOT SPLIT - HEFFRON STREET@HOOVER
ROAD LOT 106 PARKWOOD FIFTH ADDITION (This item withdrawn prior to the meeting. No action will be taken.)
5. ADOPT PARK PLAN UPDATE 2004-2009
John Gardner noted he and Parks Director, Tom Schrader, have reviewed the plan several times since the last meeting.
They suggest adding the following: 1) #19 on pg. 52 - incorporate the Green Circle Plan, Riverfront Plan, and the
Downtown Directional Study. 2) if approved at Public Works next week, include in the improvements section a Green
Circle Trail underpass under the railroad to get from the west end of Wisconsin St. to the Water Dept. Offices
on Bliss Ave. and 3) #17 on pg. 52 - include the Wisconsin River and Moses Creek area. Not just acquiring the land,
but acquiring an interest in the land. They also recommend adding "converting the Central Co. to a more public
use" and away from the current storage use.
Chairman Wescott thanked Elbert Rackow for his extensive input to the plan which has been distributed to the commission.
Ann Shannon felt the population projections should be consistent with the Smart Growth
document. John Gardner agreed.
Chairman Wescott noted he would like to take some time to discuss how the future plan recognizes the future use
of the vocational college in regard to our facility.
John Gardner referred to Item B. Goerke Park on page 48 - the Park Commission added the wording "with no further
additions to the current structure being permitted". He felt that language was more restrictive than what
he would recommend. He suggests two alternatives: 1) strike the new addition and leave the existing language: "Relocation
of the technical school should be reviewed", or 2) Retain the existing: "relocation of the technical
school should be reviewed". And continue with: "Goerke Park is used as a community and neighborhood park
and any further expansion requests of Mid-State Technical College should not unduly encroach on these recreational
functions". The reason for these suggestions is the technical school is a basic educational service that this
community needs. There are logical reasons why you grow in the existing site as opposed to picking up and moving.
There is some relationship between the university and the technical college because the students go back and forth.
Mid-State has experienced substantial growth. They do not have to expand there, but it is his opinion that we should
not close the door in their face.
Chairman Wescott noted the Park Commission has done a lot of good work on this plan and they took a very clear
position - no further expansion. He wants the Plan Commission to review it and say if they are comfortable with
that or would you prefer to see an element of flexibility built in.
Lois Feldman felt there is also cooperation between the hospital and the technical school with nursing students
walking back and forth.
Tom Schrader reviewed the background noted the Park Commission met on January 2, 2002 to review the request for
expansion and denied the request. The Mayor requested a group get together representing all the entities. On January
16, 2002 there was a meeting with the university, Park Commission, Plan Commission, Mid-state Tech, and someone
from the school district to review the request. We talked about leasing space to make it work, expansion on the
current site, relocation of Mid-State Tech or the recreation center, joint expansion, checking with the school
district to see if they have open space, expansion to the north, and portable classrooms. There was a joint Park
and Plan Commission meeting on February 4, 2002, and the big concern at that time was what are the long range goals
of Mid-State Tech. Mid-State presented their long range goals and stated this will be the last expansion at this
place because of parking problems. At that time, the Park Commission said that seeing as this is the last expansion
in the park, we will approve this expansion. The Park Commission feels that parks are for parks and park-related
use. When we start allowing non-related park uses into the park, we are starting to eat up park space that was
dedicated and set aside for park purposes. He noted that the first Mid-State expansion took the north wing of the
recreation center and their second expansion moved the lease line about 15 feet. The Park Commission was very adamant
that there be no further expansions. The recreation center in Goerke Park is the hub of all the recreation activities.
Chairman Wescott noted the Park Commission has arrived at a very clear and firm decision. Does the Plan Commission
wish to adopt the plan or, do you wish to forward to the council a recommendation to adopt the plan and retain
some flexibility for future councils.
Elbert Rackow noted he has attended the meetings and been a member of the Park Commission. The Park and Recreation
building has been there for a long time and built under different standards than we have now and sooner or later
the building will have to be replaced. It could be replaced on a smaller footprint and be more efficient than it
is now.
Ald. Moore stated the Park Plan doesn't limit Mid-State from expanding to the north.
Lois Feldman suggested the wording that there be no further encroachment south and east into the park property.
Ald. Sowieja requested a clearer explanation with regard to acquisition and the Moses Creek corridor.
Elbert Rackow suggested a cover memo stating the changes.
Chairman Wescott noted it is his intention to present this to the council in March, but if for some reason all
the paper work is not completed, he could bring it to the council in April.
Lois Feldman moved, seconded by Ann Shannon, to recommend adoption of the Park Plan Update for 2004-2009, incorporating
the editorial changes identified by Ald. Rackow; changing the language suggested by Lois Feldman from the last
meeting; make the population projections consistent with the Smart Growth document; include John Gardner's additions
of incorporating the Green Circle Plan, Riverfront Plan, and the Downtown Direction Study into #19 on page 52,
include an underpass under the railroad to get from Wisconsin Street to the Water Dept. Offices on Bliss Ave. into
the Improvements Section, include the Wisconsin River and Moses Creek in #17 on page 52, and that there be no further
encroachment of Mid-State Technical College to the south and east into park property. Ayes all; Nays none; Motion
carried.
Meeting adjourned at 5:20 p.m.
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